The 9mm features some interesting advantages. Muzzle Energy Calculation You can calculate kinetic energy using the classic formula you memorized in Physics class. Call me crazy but home defense SCREAMS for a good ole Mossberg cruiser with a nice laser sight and maybe a strong, blinding flashlight for perps' who go 'bump in the night' into your coffee table. I have good friends who shoot .45 and we all get along just fine. Velocity and barrel length data for 9x19mm Parabellum, also known as 9mm Luger and so on. Just feel more secure with that big fat slow round. heyre still sticking to the 9mm caliber design. Going to the store I take my 9 with 124 gr hst. Velocity: 1,181 ft/s. Compared to the pistol, the average carbine-fired hollowpoint produced slightly less penetration and had a slightly smaller recovered diameter. It usually takes longer for lung and lower toro hits to produce the same results. On these metrics, the rounds are generall equal. ======================= They resent that Europeans don't know or understand America or Americans, yet Europeans seem to have this superior attitude anyway. 9mm do not penetrate deeper on average. Clumsy, deaf and with tunnel vision. A key advantage, as stated, is the 45's shallower penetration for home defense. All the comments are great. If you have to reassess after every shot, then that first shot needs to count. Ammo Deals: ZSR Ammunition 9mm 124 Grain FMJ 1000 Rounds $259.99 FREE S&H, AR-15 Barrel Length Does It Even Matter? So I purchased big bore gun :D and hope for rapid blood pressure drop which will cause unconsciousness, or that this bullet will go trought and break spine. I was one of those folks in the military in the 80's that had a 45 side-arm, so used to it. But that's all a moot point. No matter how much you love than one 9mm you saved up for. In this study, .44 Magnum failed to penetrate 13% of the time tied with 9mm and .40 S&W (and within the margin of error of .45 ACP). What I read about that encounter sickened me. Still, nothing like the feel of a nice heavy, ..45. customized to your liking as your arsenal 'anchor'. Excellent well researched response. http://www.ballistics101.com/45_acp.php Due to all of these factors, law enforcement orders of 9mm ammo from all major ammunition manufacturers have spiked significantly. I would recon my 5 or close to 6 inch barrel Walther p 22 loaded with them with rapid shots would do okay . Good stopping power and less likely to penetrate walls and hit a bystander. Maybe NOT, POF 5PK MP5 The Budget Reverse-Stretch Semi Auto from Pakistan, Ammo InStock: PMC Bronze 223 Rem 55 Grain FMJ Ammo 1000 Rounds $397.00 FREE S&H, Survival Deal: Thyrosafe Potassium Radioactive Iodide Tablets $21.95 FREE S&H, Gun Deals: Beretta A300 Ultima Patrol 12 Gauge Shotgun $949.00 FREE S&H, Brownells Coupon Codes www.brownells.com Updated Monthly. But, had I not experienced it, I never would have believed it would happen to me. The one that works best for you is the best choice. Copyright Ammotogo.com 2023 All Rights Reserved. I am ex military and I have seen way to many hiccups with autos and semi autos. Another benefit is that both are bottleneck cartridges dramatically lowering the chance of a failure to feed malfunction, an issue with both the 9mm and .45. You can claim you understand muzzle energy but you don't. Therefore, per my logic class, the 45 is still ahead. While predominantly utilized in semi-automatic handguns, AR-15s chambered for 9mm are popular, and 9mm revolvers are not an uncommon thing either. I also have a bull-pub style shotgun for home defense as well. He noted that the wall was splattered with not just blood, but flesh and bone. But then a .22 in the eye works to. I really hope you were joking with your statement. These people think the 9mm shoots magic bullets and the 45 is just slow and heavy. They went back to the .9mm due to the fact that the new meat in the FBI were not man or woman enuff to handle the .40. As you might imagine, muzzle velocity varies quite widely depending on the type of gun you are shooting. Curious comment. . That is the EXCEPTION!! In that case consider a 10mm or .357 magnum (better get a .44 magnum) depending on how big the bears are. I'm not knocking the 9mm as a protection weapon. Velocity did of course increase further with longer barrels, but to a much smaller degree. This doesn't mean I don't own a 9mm. With modern ballistics the 9mm went from weak and unreliable to usable. The Army, (of course), received them first. Sure, good over evil trumps, you can't let intruders do terrible things. 12 ga shotgun ask anyone outfitter in Alaska what they carry you can buy a Shockwave and have more power then any pistol. Muzzle velocity, however, is not always a fair comparison, as different projectiles have different purposes and downrange performance. It gives perspective from both sides. Like the logo of a Very Familiar training range: Nuff said. From Firearm Wiki: The Internet Gun Encyclopedia, Velocity by Barrel Length of Various Calibers, Firearms Chambered in 9mm (Palmetto State Armory), https://firearmwiki.com/index.php?title=9mm_Velocity_by_Barrel_Length&oldid=1702, About Firearm Wiki: The Internet Gun Encyclopedia. Like the logo of a Very Familiar training range: Even in states with restrictions, you will shoot more accurately with 10x 9mm vs 10x ACP, so there is that in favor of the 9mm. You end up with the same energy as a .223/5.56 but with less risk of over penetration , which is great for a situation like home defense when you cant always know whats on the other side of the wall. I have used both and much prefer the 9mm to a .45 ACP. The Lehigh Defense 70gr HERO loading exited the muzzle at a staggering average of 1784fps from the G34 and only lost 234pfs going down to the minute G43, which works out to only 15% loss. I notice that most articles talking up the 9mm always compares the newest and best 9mm to the old slow fmj .45, not taking into account that there are now .45 with lighter projectiles and higher speeds that far and away leave the 9mm in the dust. Praised for being compact and easier to handle than its .45 ACP counterpart, the 9mm has become one of the most popular rounds in the world. When you said buy both at the end I was thinking .45 for carry and 9mm for backup. Knock down power is vague, because it doesnt exist. It could be that when hollow points fail, 9mm isn't going deep enough, and perhaps the FMJ's don't overpenetrate in this caliber as much as others (especially because the most popular FMJ rounds are usually lighter 115 grain bullets). Both handguns have a huge following thanks to their popularity and success in the field. They are often shooting at moving targets who may be taking cover and at the same time the officers are trying to take cover and not get shot themselves (this isn't range shooting). The one thing I never see mentioned about the .45 acp is that because it's a slower round and over penetration issues drop dramatically it, FMJ is still a very good SD/HD ammo. 9mm: having more range, muzzle velocity, more accuracy(depending on the professionalism of the shooter), less recoil, a smaller cal(meaning the gun will have more capacity) and more penetration(Depending on the grain). Americans don't care what Europeans think. Myself For pure destructive power there's no contestnone. Well the most elite special forces still use 45 acp, is it because it is better? But the .45 Auto does not have the power you are claiming it has. I don't rely on the bullet (nor the sound of racking the gun, nor the sound of explosion to scare the intruder away). This has caused a debate in the firearms community over whats better, a fast and light cartridge or a heavy and slow one. I eventually switched to 9mm as I started shooting competitions and saw the .40 was a limiting factor. And here were are with generations publicly embracing socialism and communism. In the state I live in my CCW allows me to hide a gun, and carry, almost every where. When it comes to the issue of 9mm vs .45, obviously bullet placement and bullet construction is key for stopping an assailant. These three pistols offered me a large variance of length along with the consistency of rifling type and 1:9.84 twist rate. Check out ballisticsbytheinch.com. I (thankfully) also have an overactive amygdala response that kicks in to take over. ), 9mm (379 ft. Personalize your experience. I have a 10mm I use with handloads for pig hunting. So much quicker to re-aim, quicker to re-fire and hence more accurate. Thats a fact. I hope this helps. Option one; You choose to have ammunition in your pistol that is know to over penetrate because why would you need a bullet that doesn't fully penetrate something. This anonymous data helps us to better understand users' needs and customize the website accordingly. However, you may visit "Cookie Settings" to provide a controlled consent. When I really want to do some damage my S&W Govt. I wrap my grips with stretch adhesive tape to give me a custom grip. In short, we ALL live for ever: the only question is WHERE? Yes I have owned many 9mm, when I was younger. However, that damage is effectively wasted since the cartridges were designed so that they worked as ball ammo. Either way, the 9mm and the .45 ACP both pack a strong enough punch to neutralize any threat. Don't be so quick to kill your brother just because his opinion is different than yours . You always try to chose the right tool for the job, no surprise. According to one major online ammo retailer, in 2013 the 9mm accounted for 21.4 percent of all ammunition sales, beating out 223/5.56 by nearly six percent. Left out (one) seemingly small but (very) important step when take action time arrives. 9mm became the universal choice and approved by agency bookkeepers and bean counters. Partnered with Ofcr Perry Hutchison It would seem fitting to re-hash a couple of events Richard Harvey. Hum, didn't the 45 also get the benefit of those advancements? These are the ammo that most departments use. A big, fat, 230 grain hollow point at that speed will drop the MF faster than a 9mm any day of the week.. My state has a 10 round limit. (To be fair, felt recoil is more directly connected to muzzle energy, not velocity, but velocity will impact energy.) But my favorate is 45acp. My son bought 00 because he thought it was a good idea to be absolutely sure he could take an intruder down, where birdshot might be 'iffy'. Hah "settled". Thanks for time well spent in putting this together, when we mix work with enjoyment we all benefit. See you miss a HUGE point. That has nothing to do with WWII and everything to do with people not remembering or even wanting reminders of our past to keep them on the right path. The truth is both velocity and mass increase penetration just as both increase energy, but this is what we have to realize. Aww we got a glock hater. The choice for anybody should be what they are comfortable with and accurate with. This is America, not the UK. The law enforcement and military need that exact type of round and the 9mm is the perfect gun for those situations. You WILL freeze and lose hearing and fine motor control. They cant handle the recoil of a .45 or .308 bcuz many times the 1st time they ever fired a weapon is after joining the military. For home defence, I have .38 special, 9mm and a 12 GA shotgun squirreled away. Hornady has an XTP +P 135gr that is an excellent design. Interesting discussion thanks for the insight and thoughts. Not sure which one is best for you? Unless there is a study detailing the effectiveness of a round based on kinetic energy, whether or not this is negligible for your purposes is up to you. I have no idea how this compares with the 9mm. IRead more . How well you can control the weapon is a HUGE factor. All this "muzzle energy" nonsense is for the clueless ones pretending to understand physics. There is no perfect handgun, life always has compromises. I would love to hear everyone's thoughts. Now you must shout for him to get down/leave, because your selected ammunition could possibly over penetrate and harm someone in another room, and hope the situation doesn't escalate to him reacting in instinctive action by charging or shooting at you. Not me. But if both of these two are more than your are able to shoot comfortably, consider the 380. Correct, I have not shot many people. Next, speed of follow-up shots doesn't come from the caliber. But the 10mm has the speed of the 9mm & is even faster & has the power of a .357 mag ---- .41 mag depending on the ammo you buy Plus it holds 15+1. You have the triple package. Best argument I ever heard was, even if your hollowpoint fails to expand, a .45 will always punch a .45 hole. I am good with it, plenty of muscle memory and everything flows easily. This is a debate that will go on as long as there are those who don't want to accept the laws of physics. https://www.personaldefenseworld.com/2017/03/9mm-40-45-acp-stopping-power/ If you are going to go through all the trouble to defend yourself and/ or others you might as well knock the bad guy(s) down - and take their soul at the same time. Some of the data that are collected include the number of visitors, their source, and the pages they visit anonymously. .357 SIG has the fastest velocity by far, but is in the middle of the pack with .40 S&W. I am still open to 9mm thats why I was considering the sig but I do love the style and extra safety features of the kimber. You say bullet technology has caused the 9mm to catch up with the .45acp. Actually, the US & the West generally helped the Russians defeat Germany. I know better than that. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. The .45, it started stopping threats way back in 1911 and it still does just as well today. ( Look it up) I'm a person who lives in a rural area, no longer military and not a cop. One of the BAD things about FIREARMS in AMERICA is the DEMOCRATIC LIBERALS!! one of them went completely through the bear. Studies done on combat troops show similar hit ratios to these LEO stats. But, like you said, all of this arguing is moot if you cant hit your target! I do exactly as you stated, we think alike. Best advice ever. Wound channels identical, higher capacity, better follow-up, more platforms to choose from, cheaper to shoot plus . chicks dig guys who carry 9mm. NYPD study had their officers at 18% accuracy in gunfights. I am. Because thats how many studies there are. Bull!! The only guns we fire are on computer games. Hi Chris. The 45: Has more JHP expansion, More knock down power(even with a FMJ). Everyone I know who carries a 9 mm including most LE officers use +P ammo. The average penetration is as follows: .380 ACP (14.9"), 9mm (17.1"), .40 S&W (17.9"), .357 SIG (18.0"), .45 ACP (18.1"), and 10mm (18.9"). Simply stated, the faster they strike the faster they stop. I split the difference, .357 Sig gives you the same number of rounds per mag as the .40 but with the ballistics of a .357 magnum. I had been on the fence regarding 9mm and .45ACP for a long time, then I purchased a couple of different 9mm semi-autos for carry over a few years, with .380 for backup. 9mm can be a reasonable choice. May be a great home defense gun, but far from ultimate . If he hits you, its going to hurt. Regarding protection against tyranny, every empire in history has fallen (you know that as well as any). I prefer more shock per hit. A lot of this pissing contest about pistol calibers is very egocentriccentric. I don't think i would hesitate to use my ruger 1022 for home defense with modern rounds like stingers or velocitors the new browning rounds that go 1450 fps. I'm not sure 45 is a good choice for bear country, most folks choose a large caliber magnum revolver with bonded solids for that job. My kind of old LADY,but,she's probably too young for me. People bandy about theories of using bird shot to 00, because here on a forum it's a safe environment. I personally love the recoil and trajectory of the .45 ACP because my wrist is more adapted to it. Their testing shows some bullets speed up and slow down and speed up and so on, as they travel up the barrel. Weve got a dedicated section for the AR-15 here. It's a hardwired biological response. Interestingly, the 9x19mm rounds generally produce higher muzzle energy which, as we all know from Newton's 3rd Law, produces an equal and opposite reaction. The Trijcon Laser/ Spot/ Flash is also bore sighted low to compensate for 300 yds with a 4x32 Leupold Huntsman Hi-Rise Mounted Scope on 1/2" QD Camlock to transfer to the Bulldog with the Bipod/ Foregrip. Forced to choose I'd take 9mm all day for so many reasons.. 9mm or 45? My plan is to magazine dump the pistol towards the threat, en route to my Colt M4, then lay down a wall of suppressive fire until the police respond to my alarm. Copyright Ammotogo.com 2023 All Rights Reserved. In conclusion: These people that sit at the alter of the FBI make me laugh. The cookie is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Other. I love your Pro / Con's of each. 30% is being nice. In theory the bear will advance into the spray mist and his breathing apparatus will suck in the irritant and it will get into his eyes and mouth. Wouldn't that make the.45 leap farther ahead again, in terms of "better"? PRACTICE MAKES PERFECT & decision making! I don't own a .45 (except a Pietta .45 Long Colt cowboy gun I target shoot in the mountains- I love it), but my son does have a couple of 1911's which he loves and says they are fairly easy to conceal carry. I've finally finished up college and paid off my loans, and I'm ready to get back to the range at least weekly to improve my accuracy now that my budget allows. Many independent studies have been done about actual combat shooting accuracy. The 9mm carbine is rapidly replacing the 12-gauge shotgun in many areas of law enforcement, because it holds more ammunition, makes hits more easily, and has negligible recoil. Force is mass times acceleration squared. I think people should think about not only the effects on an intruder but also how they will feel after they have shot someone. It's also recommended that you practise with a spray before you hit bear country, so you know how the spray works and how to spray effectively. 9mm is a better beginners and plinkers gun and 45acp is more for someone experienced thats wants to lay the smack down. . The Glock 43 offered the slowest MV with any given load, the Glock 19 always brought up the middle, and the G34 achieved the highest numbers. You ask why? The Wild Bill Hickok method of gun fighting: rapidly draw your gun, calmly stand your ground, carefully aim and press the trigger, observe the target fall, holster your gun, turnaround and walk away. The US military adopted the 38 Long Colt in 1892 thinking service men could carry more ammo and the cost to manufacture and transport would be lower per round. A miss with a .454 will not help you bring that charging animal down. The point that the wound tracks are almost the same according to the 2014 report is very surprising to me and frankly illogical looking at the bullet size, both uncollapsed and collapsed. I agree Patrick. Because 99% of people will never fight off a coyote attack let alone see a wolf and if your wandering into areas with wolves carrying a 9mm your pretty stupid as those places also have bears who aren't going to be impressed with the latest plastic fantastic. Another fact if you shoot an assailant far enough away that bullet drop comes into play, you will have problems in court. Subsonic for a bullet is slow . If so, another one which should lead to enough blood pressure drop to lose consciousness. Modern .45 acp is overkill against most targets (which isn't a bad thing in itself, but better to have the extra capacity if you don't really have to trade a significant reduction in lethality for it). I doubt that lady would have had time to reload. e.g. If you had a slightly larger gun with a magazine holding seven or eight rounds (or more, such as a double-stack with 10, like a Glock 26) was available, you'd essentially have plenty (in most cases). Brandon has spent the majority of his life hunting in the woods in Georgia and Alabama. I love both rounds, but after seeing so many shootouts on liveleak, I have come to the conclusion that you are probably going to miss more than you think so have more rounds than you think you need. It is a dangerous world, much more than most believe. Today it sends your readers to the Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence." A .45 is a solid push in you hand. As for the difference between 9 mm and 45 does not even compare thats why when you see police having to fire many shots to take down a criminal when 1 shot from a 45 will take him off his feet American Eagle : https://www.federalpremium.com/ammunition/handgun/caliber/45-auto, Black Hills Ammunition :https://www.black-hills.com/shop/new-pistol-ammo/45-acp/, Blazer Ammo :https://www.blazer-ammo.com/, Buffalo Bore Ammunition :https://www.buffalobore.com/, Federal Premium Ammunition :https://www.federalpremium.com/, Hornady Manufacturing :https://www.hornady.com/store/45-Auto/, Lehigh Defense :https://www.lehighdefense.com/, SIG SAUER Ammunition :https://www.sigsauer.com/products/ammunition/, Speer Ammo :https://www.speer-ammo.com/products/golddot.aspx. I was using a Glock 17 and really liked it. Thanks for bringing our gun culture forward Cody! The Federal 147gr Hydra-Shok JHP had a total velocity average difference of only 54fps across barrel lengths and a total loss of 5.5%. "Subsonic for a bullet is slow"Again, your limited knowledge is apparent here. It is not an issue. The truth is somewhere in the middle; From weekend plinkers to elite rifle competitors, understanding the basics of muzzle velocity is an essential part of gun ownership and marksmanship. My 1911 in 45 has little recoil barely if any more then a 9mm. Every time. 250 plus opinions here and counting but for once I'd say they're not like A holeseveryone has one yet none stink. Bullets which do not trike the target are worthless for self defense and represent a real danger to innocent bystanders. 9mm is not close. Typically, a 9mm gun muzzle velocity ranges between 950 and 1150 fps depending on the bullet load and grain of the round. Hmmm, always been a 1911 45cal chap,although 38cal is certainly better than 9mm which has been known to bounce off suspects believe it or not.Good article,interesting points! Or you could end up in prison. Loading 41 mag to pussycat loads could bring it down to cross over with the 10. I may be considered old and not moving with the new trends, and all is good and dandy with the 9 mm and all the new ammo development, but if the .45 was good to stop the japs and the Krouts, in my book it is good to stop anyone who wants to harm me or my family. I don't think a ATTACKER/HOME INVADER will know the difference between a 9mm or a 45cal to the HEAD, NECK or a double tap in the CHEST!! I thought this was going to get way uglier in the comments. When you have an over penetration or miss, which is likely in an adrenaline filled situation. Both rounds are more than enough to put a guy down. Sure you can fire a .45 as quick as a 9mm but it's gonna hurt your accuracy, doesn't matter how strong you are. I'm citing experience, something you clearly lack. But can you deal with what you've done afterwards mentally? Provided that you live in a free state, 9mm in 135 HydraShoks or 147 V-Crowns or 147 HSTs hands down . /end of debate. Can't argue with those numbers. The pattern element in the name contains the unique identity number of the account or website it relates to. Your life depends on it. As for a Defence caliper the 22 or is the most deadliest cartridge for a handgun at 375 yards I can put right between your eyes or I can put it between your ribs and put a hole in your heart. I see you thanked Sig Sauer and Black Hills at the bottom, but no results for either in the spread sheet and none for Sig in the graph. Look up ballistics tests 9mm eats as much ballistics gel as a 45. You can vaguely cite "muzzle energy" but it ultimately means nothing with so many variables. The .45 ACP (Automatic Colt Pistol) cartridge holds bullets that have a diameter of .452 inches (11.5mm) so it is slightly larger than the 9mm (.355 inch bullets). My "bedroom" gun (the one I keep ready for home defense situation) is a 1911 Gov. Owning at least 1 9mm seems practical though, as availability of ammo is likely even in a SHTF situation. Badda Bing, Badda Boom. The same gap between the 9mm vs 45 still exists. This added pressure makes felt recoil from the 40 considerably snappier and more difficult to control. FMJs go through wood, plaster, sheet rock, and most anything else in your walls like its nothing, so there's no way to know what it may hit on the other side. I LIKE them all. There is such a variety of pistols in public use that we will not determine what guns are compatible with which loads. Thanks for the tips Katherine. You cant beat the trigger on a .45 1911. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://gundata.org/images/fbi-handgun-ballistics.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjW3I71693mAhVGZM0KHXzxCngQFjAAegQIBRAB&usg=AOvVaw10DVrk4SswQsgAgCh-Cf28 I will always have a 1911, because it is my favorite gun to shoot. 45ACP. How about because one half of the world isn't ruled by a racist fascist psychopathic government that's completely ok with genocide. The reason why these calibers don't do any better is that they are more likely to over penetrate (thus doing less energy as much of the bullet's energy is released outside the body). I also read several years ago about a young lad at home on his own, who had essentially been tasked with defending the home if anyone tried to break in. What does "slow" mean? If there's bearsI'd go with bear spray first. One or two will stand out. I like both.. A DOE would show interactions between variables that are more significant than a single variable alone. I am a Brit who has lived in the US for fourty years now. Scenario: Armed burglar breaks in and is standing in the area in which your child/roommate's facilities is now based behind him. My preference is to pull up the energy graph for nice visual reference. He can tell you everything you ever wanted to know about hunting and recreational shooting. Back in the day, there was a revolver chambered in .600 Nitro Express. just saying. (Adding my own word here: in other words, once a bullet hits the nearly 2000 FPS mark, temporary wound cavity matters) In fact, if one conducts these tests, one finds that there is nothing that can be observed which supports the assertion that the faster one drives non-expanding solids the deeper they penetrate.Despite all the impressive "science" deployed to reinforce the assertion that higher speed projectiles are more capable of inflicting the deep penetration and impact-effect required to reliably anchor heavy game, one finds that these assertions simply do not withstand common sense, repeatable penetration testing. Although both mass and velocity contribute to the muzzle energy, the muzzle energy is proportional to the mass while proportional to the square of the velocity. 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