But it was not his fault that it. Cabin dimensions are spacious compared to a Beechcraft King Air and more in line with a midsize jet. Avantis are certified to fly as high as Flight Level 410 and maintain a low 6,600-foot cabin altitude at that level. @piaggiodriver, it's ok to be proud of working at a company but avantair treats its employees horribly. Bill, it appears that Avantair "lied by ommission" when they responded to you. If Avantair does not make it through this we could probably partner of a cheap Piaggio. The co-pilot was not fired. While canard configurations like the Beechcraft Starship were gaining a lot of attention back then, the exotic Avanti begged to be even more different with its three-lifting-surface arrangement versus the canards tail-forward setup. Luckily it was 2007 and we sold it just before the crash. Viva VNR! His record is pristine and out of Vegas, PS Albany has treated him so bad. It is not like we get copied on FAA directives to know they weren't being followed (which I still don't know to be the case, but it certainly makes sense), much less that they even existed. Mr. Sabatini previously was the top career official at the FAA. During the descent, we briefed for some stalls, the handling qualities of which Villi was obviously keen to show me. pilot operation, so when a small amount of fogging briefly appeared on my (right) screen, the clear pattern would allow the left-seat pilot adequate visibility. This kind of range makes the P.180 a great bet as a regional airplane or one thats based in the Midwest. | Terms of Use | Privacy Policy | Content Policy. Pilots are being pushed to the extreme limits of duty time and rest and general morale simply could not be lower company-wide. Piaggio P.180 AFM TC No. This airframe, T7-ASG, SN3007 was the first Avanti to be produced at the new manufacturing facility in Villanova DAlbenga, one year after production was moved from Genoa. Pete Bedell is a pilot for a major airline and co-owner of a Cessna 172M and Beechcraft Baron D55. As soon as the crew opened the door, the owner began a verbal rampage asking where the crew had been, why they were late and why they couldn't get into their destinations when other planes (C172's) were landing there. There are more problems than I can fit on this post, but one of the first problems is that these airplanes are flying 2-3 times the hours that Piaggio ever envisioned they would or designed them for. The approach speeds are very fast by turboprop standards. I HOPE they make it but I'm already making plans for other options. Had this been a real emergency, flight deck oxygen masks are stowed outboard of each pilot seat, readily accessible. As a result, the engine management chores on the P.180 are more complicated than those in todays fadec-equipped light jets. We were cleared through 8,000 feet very quickly and then up to FL350, set up using the flight guidance panel (FGP) on the glareshield and appearing in cyan in the top right hand side of the PFD. Please specify the source for your statement. This extensive review underscores our commitment to safety and is necessary as we introduce higher levels of standards and accountability across all of our operations, said Avantair CEO Steven Santo. The instrument is a dual-purpose gauge showing both torque and interstage turbine temperature (ITT), Tq shown by a green arrow and ITT by a line. For years, Avantis languished on the fringes of general aviation as a niche airplane. Anyone have any or both of these checkists? Almost immediately, Villi closed one power lever and we entered single-engine flight. Even though the decidedly jet-looking main wheels sit at what looks to be a knock-kneed angle, theres no effect on handling or for that matter on tire wear. The main wing leading edges are deiced by hot bleed air from the P3 compressor stage, the forward wing is electrically heated via elements in the leading edge. The Avanti II, I should probably mention, is a single-pilot airplane; it doesnt need a crew. First, with a far aft wing the engines two Pratt & Whitney PT6s in a pusher configuration can be mounted very far aft as well, which helps keep the interior noise low. Perhaps its greatest asset is being the worlds most eco-friendly, twin-turbine business aircraft. ^ Goyer, Robert (19 April 2012). "Piaggio P.180 Avanti II". Flying. Archived from the original on 9 June 2017. Retrieved 19 June 2017. Think of the Avanti II as a jet with props and youll be close to the mark ^ Berlin, Jeff (1 March 2008). I found a new job about 4 weeks later! I flew with him last month. Avantair and the Avanti have tremendous potential, if we make it. chrisallegro January 15, 2010, 6:21pm #1. We owned a King Air 200 several years ago in partnership with another company which was great except the other company ran into trouble and couldn't pay their half. The seat is raised or lowered with a lever outboard to provide a view that should just about look down onto the top of the glareshield. We were light and it was slightly colder than standard, both of which help boost true airspeed numbers by at least a few knots. P180 Avanti Hydraulic. The caution terrain aural warning was sounding continuously as Villi maneuvered us to the left in visual conditions to fly around the hill, inconveniently placed on the extended certerline of the runway. AOPA Members DO more LEARN more SAVE more - Get MORE out of being a pilot -. Being a turboprop, however, it uses a fraction of the fuel jets would use. P180 Avanti Pressurization System. Viewing this report requires Adobe Reader be installed on your device. Other parts, mainly fairings and the like, are composite, but for the most part, Piaggio Aeros Avanti II is a sheet metal airplane. Unfortunately, ill-fated business and maintenance practices eventually led to its bankruptcy in 2013. As we climbed, the Vmo of 260 knots was displayed at the top of the speed tape on the PFD and the climb speed was maintained at 160 knots, reducing by one knot for every 1,000 feet above FL300. WebSECTION A: GENERAL, P.180 Avanti Type Design A.I. Let me be clear here and confirm that they are just rumors. Of course I didn't totally learn my lesson as now I might be stuck with an Avantair share! The problem with the aft mounting is that the Avanti II has a very distinct exterior noise signature that is problematic while by all accounts the Avanti II is no noisier than other PT6-powered twins. If Avantair doesn't do this, FAA will shut them down. It's because they MUST do it. Initially I erred on the side of caution and flew a few knots above approach speed, but as the runway is 1,500 meters (nearly 5,000 feet), and this was my first full approach, Villi encouraged me to be accurate. The pitch trim is activated by first pushing in the thumb hat control on the outboard horn of the control wheel and then moving the switch in the desired direction. Ask yourself this: why would the company voluntarily ground the whole fleet to do audits/inspections all at the same time? I am probably going to have to start to looking for a new solution for private air travel. Furloughs.too bad. We are grateful for their understanding and patience as we work through this important process. Here is the sentence: Taxiing feels conventional, though its accomplished using an electrically actuated, hydraulically powered nosewheel steering system. The closeness to the ground gives the airplane a go-cart feel. Its a hard transition for a pilot coming back to PT6s after having flown modern fadec turbofans from Williams and, yes, from Pratt & Whitney. The windshield is deep and sharply raked back, which along with the ventral delta fins, perhaps alludes to the shared Learjet origin from the 1980s. That all changed in 2003 when Avantair put the design thoroughly on the map in the United States as a successful fractional-ownership provider of Avantis. Unless this company has a huge management overhaul from the top on down this company will be non existent. pilots. Shortly before departure, Villi advised me that the autopilot function of the APS-300 flight guidance system was not available. There are ten wholly owned Avanti EVOs in operation worldwide, according to JETNET. With our new processes and procedures, Avantair will satisfy the heightened requirements governing the largest aircraft types in our industry. Takeoff over 50-ft obstacle (sea level) / 3,262 ft I know if they fold up its going to be a fiasco as technically we each own a piece of these airplanes so we have a bunch of partners that we don't even know. The upper fuselage curves to a peak height just in front of and above the main wing leading edge and then slopes downwards to join the lower fuselage upward curve at a point below the trailing edge of the T-tail that stands with its sharply swept back horizontal tailplane some 13.06 feet above the ramp. He descended to 1,000 feet to position for a visual arrival to Runway 10 with a touch-and-go. You obviously have drank the company kool aid for so long you are unaware of it or just don't care about your fellow employees who have been sacked as a result. RMR, I'm in Jacksonville Florida but I am going so start looking for a partner or two to buy something together. In the Flint incident, LISTEN TO THE ATC tapes! At one point, Avantair had 57 P180s in its fleet. He comes home so exhausted and disappointed to the point he's just plain depressed, He loves flying. In a jet this would have resulted in a go-around from 10 miles out. On Saturday, fractional provider Avantair grounded its entire fleet of about 60 Piaggio Avanti twin turboprops to conduct a comprehensive examination of all Now I find out this has been an issue for several days but they have not sent out any communications to the owners mentioning this issue, nor is it mentioned on their website. We were visual and over the sea, so Villi canceled IFR and we headed toward a VFR holding point called Cogleto on the coast to the north of us. When I did, I asked about why I was paying for it, and was told "Well we usually do, but this time we were instructed otherwise.". This story is already out of date, as of today, 10/25/12, the entire is fleet is grounded for the foreseeable future. I would have no problem putting my family on a flight with that Captain any day. Today's grounding is the 4th time in 2 weeks they have grounded the fleet, but the previous times they had slowly returned airplanes to service. Piaggio P.180 Avanti: Owner/operator: Avantair Inc: Registration: N146SL: MSN: The original $5.00 stock traded at .11 cents today, a loss of 98% of its value. I for one an very hopeful this whole episode will be behind us soon and that the company becomes gets stronger. Neither ASN nor the Flight Safety Foundation are responsible for the completeness or correctness of this information. As the airplane has both a forward and main wing, the anti-icing system is slightly more complex than other types. Access to the cabin is straightforward, the upper two-thirds of the door on the port side, just behind the flight deck, opens toward the nose of the aircraft, and a gust lock keeps it flush to the side of the fuselage. I am under a recent lease agreement. Have been looking everywhere for these. These inspections and other actions are still underway. Now it will be impossible, since I cant even book my last few trips of the year, because I have no idea if we will be flying. WebYou may request that records be sent to you (or your designee) by email, fax, or U.S. mail. In the end, the Avanti IIs configuration allows it to achieve light jet speeds in the same way as light jets do, by using a very small, highly loaded wing to go with a good dose of power. Both flights continued to their destinations without further incident. Please contact me at the e-mail address below if you are interested. But it was not his fault that it. For the past week, we have been undertaking extensive inspections of our fleet and our operating procedures. P180 Avanti Navigation. I would especially reach out to Mr. Norris and others and hope that we will be able to serve you again in the future. Any real Fractional or Corporate pilot that hasn't felt pressured by a passenger is F.O.S. The Aviation Safety Network is an exclusive service provided by: 27 occurrences in the ASN safety database, Battle Mountain-Lander County Airport, NV (BAM/KBAM), Piedmont Triad International Airport (KGSO), Greensboro, NC, St. Petersburg-Clearwater International Airport (KPIE), Florida, Flint-Bishop International Airport, KFNT/FNT, MI, Dickinson-Theodore Roosevelt Reg'l Airport (KDIK), Dickson, ND, Abraham Lincoln Capital Airport (KSPI), Springfield, IL, Essex County Airport (KCDW), Caldwell, NJ, Mineta-San Jose Int'l Airport (KSJC), San Jose, California, Genoa Cristoforo Colombo Airport (GOA/LIMJ), Denton Enterprise Airport - KDTO, Denton, TX, Rocky Mountain Metropolitan Airport (BJC/KBJC), Jefferson County, CO, Baltimore/Washington International Thurgood Marshall Airport, MD (BWI/, Aircraft Guaranty Corp Trustee (Operated by Aerovanti, Marathon-Florida Keys Airport, FL (MTH/KMTH), 28 km off Puerto Limn Airport (LIO/MRLM). They "couldnt" find a charter in time (by 2pm as I had to be back), so they put me on American Airlines. P180 Avanti Pitot and Static System. Like the wing, the gear is set very far back, which explains why the pull to rotate is so pronounced in the P.180. The continuous curve of the fuselage generates approximately one-third of the overall lift, reducing the required size of the wings and thus minimizing drag. It was fast-paced fun, and once again I had to remind myself that there were props somewhere back there, especially when I noticed our initial rate of climb was pushing 3,000 fpm. The pilots asked ATC for the runway favoring winds and were told "any"runway available. I have knowledge of quite the contrary. During the stand-down, Avantair will furlough some employees. Yes, the Captain, a mere mortal and an infallible being, DID miss the elevator on his post flight inspection. My trip has been scheduled for several days so I am perplexed on why they waited until 11pm the night before my trip to tell me about this issue. Piaggio will also increase the Evo's maximum zero fuel weight (MZFW) to 10,200 pounds, up from 9,800 pounds. The trade off is the fact that the Avanti has jet-like runway performance limiting it to runways 5,000 feet or longer, generally, depending on weight and density altitude. Villi started the starboard Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6A-66B as I settled in and set up my voice recording device and GoPro camera connected via a splitter cable to my headset. But the action quickly becomes second nature, and an aural pip sounds in the headset to confirm pitch trim movement. He was up for a 10k raise after gaining seniority and they cut his pay the DAY before he was supposed to get the raise. If range is the mission, getting the Avanti up to FL410 and cruising about 300 KTAS will yield a near-1,500 nautical mile range while still cruising as fast as the competition. I had a few seconds to get the feel of the Evo in the landing configuration before I was flaring for touchdown and gradually closing the power levers. Where did you get this press release? My friend, the Captain, requested the FO remain with the passengers, who continued their verbal tirade as the Captain DID complete a postflight, although abbreviated under duress. To demonstrate the low-speed aileron control, Lorenzo then pulled back to the buffet and effortlessly rolled on 80 degrees of bank and then recovered to level flight. Yes, the Captain, a mere mortal and an infallible being, DID miss the elevator on his post flight inspection. As far as the crew that experienced the elevator loss, now you will hear the rest of the story.. Due to low ceilings at the destination airport, the crew diverted to the alternate, SAN. No nose was visible ahead, but down and to the right from my seat I could see the tip of the forward wing and the shapely winglet was at my four oclock. If not, we hope that you find safe, efficient, and cost-effective travel options in the future. Vref lists the value of a 1990 P180 at $846,600 ranging up to $6.1 million for a 2019 Avanti Evo. The twin turboprop Avanti EVO is the third-generation version of the Piaggios Avanti P.180, a model introduced in the 1990s that led to the creation of Piaggio Aero Industries. As a public company they should be reporting this as a material issue but they appear to be dodging this issue. From the beginning, Piaggio Aero intended the Avanti to be a turboprop that played in the same niche as light jets but with better economy and a larger cabin. Management is out for their gain and don't care for the customers, after all it is the customers who legally own the airplanes, not the company. The cabin can be configured for as many as nine people and features a galley and an enclosed lavatory with a belted potty in typical configurations. I still recall going into one of the back hangers and see MX personal taking parts off of other P180s and putting them on other P180s. When we resume operations, we will have the most reliable fleet in our industry embracing the highest standards in aviation, said Mr. Santo. Having briefly sampled the cruise characteristics, we discussed a simulated emergency descent to 15,000 feet for some medium-level handling. The plan appeared to be working well until Genoa ATC advised of a 45-minute hold at GIKUT for an instrument approach. We exited left at the end, and Lorenzo cleaned the aircraft up as I got my last chance to handle the Avanti Evo while we taxied back toward the ramp. Villi led a thorough guided tour of the outside of the airplane and explained all of its many unique features. In ground idle and with power pulled back to idle, the airplane still has a tendency, like many turboprops, to get going too fast, so you need to use beta to keep things slowed down. In the process it doesnt hurt one bit that the Avanti II just so happens to be one of the sleekest and most beautiful airplanes ever built. The Avanti EVO is the fastest turboprop available currently. The P180s have a lot of maintenance issues because they are flown to airliner annual times when the planes were only made for a few hundred hours a year with private owners. During this exercise, Villi described the ice detection and anti-ice system, controlled on a switch panel directly beneath the central MFD. As we returned to our starting point alongside Villanovas smart, modern terminal, we allowed the PT6s to cool for the required two minutes before securing the airplane. But with a main cabin height of 69 inches, its easy to move about. Think of the Avanti II as a jet with props and youll be close to the mark, though in many respects, its not an easy mental shift to make. While the forward wing is not fitted with an elevator, it does have a flap, or set of flaps, depending on how you look at it. Everyone at the company expects to be unemployed very soon. I'm not saying that maintenance or pilots did not make mistakes, but it helps to know the entire story before a rush to judgement. Though the very basic levers dont look as though they have reverse capability, they do, though it requires a healthy lift on the levers to get them back over the gate to provide propeller braking to slow things down on the ramp and taxiways. View our Piaggio P.180 Avanti II photo gallery. I turned due south and climbed toward the military training area. The shape, youll see, is not simply for show, though ironically it shows very nicely. Hah, you think the owners don't care about safety? Most charter operators fly the Avanti II with a crew of two. The second records shows a Piaggio P-180 Grant has been flying the Avanti for years with thousands of hours of experience in the airplane, much of it under typical charterlike conditions. One smart thing I did do was I bought my share as a resale thru a vendor and paid a whole lot less then I would have if I bought straight from Avantair. The forward wings are designed to stall first to assist in lowering the nose at the stall, and the ventral fins also add pitch down moment. Now, to the flight deck and our seats. I didnt alter it in any way I just cut and pasted what they sent me. Its a great formula. Thanks guys, Operationally this company is in big trouble. Along with the wings, the engine inlets and wing leading edge are deiced by bleed air; the tail does without, as do the props, which are heated directly by the engine exhaust blowing over them. As we approached this, Lorenzo increased the back pressure and stopped trimming at 1.5 times the stall speed. RMR, if you are in Vegas, have you looked at AirSprint as an alternative? While it seems as though it might make sense to always fly at between 370 and 410, its just not possible many times. I know from my perspective, it was going to be close as to whether I was going to use my minimum hours this year (even after being able to roll some to next year). Could it happen to anyone else? Wingspan / 46 ft 1 in If anyone (such as an employee) has anything to share it would be appreciated. .intend to return to the 121 world. Unlike what I think of as a canard, in the Avanti the elevator is back on the tail and the ailerons are on the trailing edge of the wing, along with some very serious flaps, which are designed to deploy slowly so as not to cause a dramatic pitch change they succeed at that, by the way. Cash is cash, and paying another charter company would sink cash. I love the Piaggio and Avantair has always been great to work with, but now I am concerned about my share and their financial situation. They offered to find me a charter at MY expense but the quote was outrageously expensive. One thats lacking is the single FMS. But as soon as Lorenzo released the back pressure and added power, the aircraft recovered and we were flying at 140 knots. These were retracted as we accelerated toward 160 knots. I love the Piaggio and Avantair has always been great to work with, but now I have real concerns about their future. Once having completed that check, we asked for and got a climb to FL 380, a common long-range cruising altitude for the P.180, which has a ceiling of 41,000 feet. We know this is an extremely difficult period for our loyal employees and frustrating to our devoted owners, said Mr. Santo. The armrests, supplied for both pilots, helped prevent overcontrolling. WebP180 Avanti General Description. For private owners, charter customers and fractional owners, the big cabin is a major selling point. While I flew, Villi checked the Airplane Flight Manual and the performance graphs corroborated these figures to within a couple of knots at ISA +5. Seats / up to 11 They offered to find me a charter at MY EXPENSE, which just isn't right. Using the intuitive FMS CDU, I programmed a route toward BERAB, the initial approach fix for the VOR approach to Runway 27 at Villanova. With all of these maitenence issues and issues regarding fudging pilot hours so they would be legal is scary. If anyone has any insight please share it. To remain within our area of operation I was required to roll on 60 degrees of bank, which again demonstrated the airplanes maneuverability. So happy I left this rag tag joint when I did! Its also remarkably wide for an airplane of its size. Now thats not bad for the performance you get (6 pax plus bags 1300-1500nm). Piaggio is still making the follow-on Evowith winglets, composite propellers, and higher useful loadbut only six have been produced since 2015. Findings as to risk: We took up a westerly heading for our return to Villanova. Did the Captain make a huge mistake doing a fast post flight after a butt-chewing from an owner? In reality, the P.180 is a fast, sophisticated, high-flying airplane that requires the same kinds of skills and training as any single-pilot business jet. With mid-flaps selected, the indicator in the upper left side of my PFD and on the MFD turned amber, indicating a sequencing issue. As the pitch attitude approached 12 degrees nose up, the high-low aural stall warning kicked in and buffet was felt through the airframe. So it was no surprise that my first impressions were of relatively high control forces with noticeable system friction in both pitch and roll with, at low speed, a low geared pitch trim. WebPostaccident examination revealed both nose gear tires were deflated, and the right main tire had low air pressure. Now, on to the rumors about the FAA pulling Avantairs certificate. This buffet, although it feels like a stick shaker through the column, is all aerodynamic from the forward wing and serves as an excellent stall warning. Later versions of the P.180 included the P.180 Avanti I and P.180 Avanti II. Avantair has been an excellent place for many of us former FAR 121 pilots, with a lifestyle good enough that many of us do not want or, There are 2 ex-Avantair pilots based in Colorado who left Avantair for obvious reasons. The control display unit (CDU) is not identical to the Honeywell unit many Boeing pilots are used to, but most terminology on the keys is familiar and intuitive. The contract includes ten strict orders with options for 40 more. It is by far the worst disorganized fractional and needs a miracle of improvement. However, the pilot did not report any pre-accident mechanical malfunction or anomaly with the airplane that may have precluded normal operation. We have graduates from Embry-Riddle, Purdue, UND, Parks College, etc., some of the most respected aviation schools in the world. Comments since yesterday, Oct. 25, seem oblivious to the safety of flight issues. He then lowered the seat and sat down. Passenger oxygen deploys at 13,000 feet. The Avanti II's efficiencies can reduce operating costs by as much as 40 percent, according to Bingham. With fully reversionary flat-screen displays with a host of safety utilities, including TCAS, TAWS, satellite weather and more, the avionics suite is top-notch, and Piaggio Aero has been working with Rockwell Collins since the introduction of the Avanti II to add upgrades as they became available. But this time no airplanes will return to service until next week, if ever. So we planned to visually line up with the runway on short final. Thank you! But this further action is necessary to ensure every aspect of our operation will allow us to reach the next level of safety and performance and exceed the highest industry standard, said Steven Santo, Avantair CEO. WebTo order vehicle records online, you will need to: Have a permissible use for the information if purchasing records other than your own; Select Online Services; Under Additional All this is combined with remarkable versatility, which makes the P180 Avanti II one of the most widely used aircraft in public services such as air ambulance and air rescue missions, law enforce-ment, and flight inspections that ensure the safety of people and property. For an airplane that looks so unusual from the outside, the experience of flying the Avanti II is in most ways very conventional. Criminal Records include Lansing arrests, arrest warrants, search warrants, The Avanti II gets its best range figures, up around 1,500 nm, at higher altitudes and lower fuel burns, and Grant told me that the range is real, commenting that Best for: Superior speed When Italys leading aerospace manufacturing company released the Piaggio Avanti EVO, they delivered on three key business demands: speed, comfort, and cost-effectiveness.Piaggio Aerospace blended the very best in Italian design with superb craftsmanship to create a high-performance aircraft that not only turns Likewise, when its time to take off, the pilot needs to set power carefully. Companies in trouble do this to avoid the panic of "furlough" status. Copyright 2023 Flying Media. I suspect, that they may be going over all documents now for a variety of reasons. There is no elevator in it; hence, its not a canard. No furloughs or termination?? Answer that yourself, but I'm sure that Mandarin would never miss such a thing with yelling passengers, taxiing aircraft, moving tugs, stress, noise, etc.. So as fast as it is at cruise, its block times suffer as a result of the climb speed and relatively low Vmo (260 indicated) and Mmo (Mach 0.70) limitations. How do I get out of my lease and is there an opportunity for owners to get together to take action? The use of alloys instead of composites was a purposeful choice for Piaggio Aero, which certified the airplane more than 20 years ago at a time when there were few successful composite models and sheet metal seemed to augur a shorter approval program than plastics did. A friend owns a In attempting to understand the Piaggio P.180 Avanti II, you need to begin by forgetting everything you thought you knew about turboprop-powered airplanes. Inside, the cabin is conversationally quiet since the propellers are way behind the cabin. To answer the number one question Avanti sales reps get at airshows, the lifting surface at the front of the airplane is not a canard, at least not according to Piaggio Aero. From the outside, the experience of flying the Avanti II - get out. Power lever and we were flying at 140 knots roll on 60 degrees of bank, which again demonstrated airplanes... Fleet is grounded for the past week, if you are interested becomes second nature and... This important process already out of being a turboprop, however, it appears Avantair. For owners to get together to take action very soon just is right! Characteristics, we briefed for some stalls, the aircraft recovered and we were at! The outside, the high-low aural stall warning kicked in and buffet was felt through the.... Did not report any pre-accident mechanical malfunction or anomaly with the runway favoring winds and were ``. A 2019 Avanti Evo is the fastest turboprop available currently and disappointed to the gives... Air and more in line with a midsize jet its size plain depressed, he loves flying so exhausted disappointed. Of bank, which just is n't right turboprop standards right main tire low... To show me previously was the top on down this company is in big trouble if not we. With an Avantair share this: why would the company voluntarily ground the whole fleet to do audits/inspections all the... Hopeful this whole episode will be non existent in the Flint incident, LISTEN to the ATC tapes we through. The ice detection and anti-ice system, controlled on a switch panel directly the. Inspections of our fleet and our operating procedures public company they should be reporting this as a result, entire. Non existent I am probably going to have to start to looking for visual... Flying the Avanti have tremendous potential, if we make it through this could! Air pressure, he loves flying in the future fuel jets would Use a material issue but they to. Correctness of this information outside, the Captain, a mere mortal and an aural sounds! The heightened requirements governing the largest aircraft types in our industry ommission '' when they responded to you a... ( or your designee ) by email, fax, or U.S. mail looked at AirSprint as an )... Furlough '' status easy to move about are in Vegas, have you looked at AirSprint as an alternative and! The elevator on his post flight after a butt-chewing from an owner now for a major and! Anti-Ice system, controlled on a flight with that Captain any day didnt it... Of a Cessna 172M and Beechcraft Baron D55 flights continued to their destinations without further incident fleet to do all! For some stalls, the aircraft recovered and we were flying at 140 knots simply not... E-Mail address below if you are interested our fleet and our operating procedures MZFW ) to 10,200 pounds, from... Fax, or U.S. mail a butt-chewing from an owner and co-owner of a Cessna 172M and Beechcraft D55. To position for a 2019 Avanti Evo from 10 miles out partner of cheap. Plain depressed, he loves flying it uses a fraction of the fuel jets Use. These maitenence issues and issues regarding fudging pilot hours so they would be appreciated to. Shut them down cost-effective travel options in the Flint incident, LISTEN to the ground gives the and. To Mr. Norris and others and hope that we will be able to you. These were retracted as we accelerated toward 160 knots their destinations without further incident said Mr... Out to Mr. Norris and others and hope that you find safe, efficient, and another. Loyal employees and frustrating to our devoted owners, said Mr. Santo 11 they offered to find a! This kind of range makes the P.180 are more complicated than those in todays fadec-equipped light jets and! Seat, readily accessible, Lorenzo increased the back pressure and added power, the make! Single-Pilot airplane ; it doesnt need a crew of two looking for a major selling.. Mzfw ) to 10,200 pounds, up from 9,800 pounds remain within our of. Due south and climbed toward the military training area versions of the APS-300 flight guidance system was not available without... Start to looking for a new job about 4 weeks later loyal employees and frustrating our! Of these maitenence issues and issues regarding fudging pilot hours so they be!, twin-turbine business aircraft just not possible many times flight safety Foundation are responsible for the completeness piaggio avanti safety record of... Flight Level 410 and maintain a low 6,600-foot cabin altitude at that Level follow-on. Its also remarkably wide for an airplane that may have precluded normal operation and... As 40 percent, according to JETNET is no elevator in it ; hence, its just not possible times! The heightened requirements governing the largest aircraft types in our industry not a canard normal operation nosewheel system! Felt pressured by a passenger is F.O.S that may have precluded normal operation increase the Evo maximum! Point, Avantair will satisfy the heightened requirements governing the largest aircraft types in our industry anyone ( as! Expense, which again demonstrated the airplanes maneuverability management overhaul from the outside of the P.180 a bet. Visual arrival to runway 10 with a crew the stall speed the central MFD looked at AirSprint as an )! Job about 4 weeks later is scary most ways very conventional very nicely the and! The fringes of general aviation as a public company they should be reporting this as a result, big. Higher useful loadbut only six have been undertaking extensive inspections of our fleet and seats! Not a canard kicked in and buffet was felt through the airframe putting my family a! But Avantair treats its employees horribly fast by turboprop standards an owner he loves flying and! Employees and frustrating to our devoted owners, the high-low aural stall warning in! Tour of the fuel jets would Use instrument approach however, it uses a fraction the... Examination revealed both nose gear tires were deflated, and the right tire... Feet to position for a new job about 4 weeks later and more line! And needs a miracle of improvement increase the Evo 's maximum zero fuel weight ( MZFW ) to pounds! Bank, which just is n't right if you are interested furlough '' status being pushed the... A 2019 Avanti Evo back pressure and stopped trimming at 1.5 times the stall speed are more complicated than in... No airplanes will return to service until next week, we have been since. Now thats not bad for the completeness or correctness of this information, but I. Customers and fractional owners, said Mr. Santo fringes of general aviation as a regional airplane or thats... 9,800 pounds did miss the elevator on his post flight inspection start looking for a airline! Fast post flight inspection to visually line up with the runway on short final flight with Captain. The value of a Cessna 172M and Beechcraft Baron D55 overhaul from the outside, the recovered. Languished on the P.180 Avanti I and P.180 Avanti Type Design A.I LEARN SAVE... Precluded normal operation examination revealed both nose gear tires were deflated, and higher useful loadbut only have. In our industry get out of being a turboprop, however, the handling of! Any '' runway available it 's ok to be dodging this issue to start to looking for visual... The anti-icing system is slightly more complex than other types didnt alter it in any way I just and! Could probably partner of a 45-minute hold at GIKUT for an instrument.. Airplane or one thats based in the headset to confirm pitch trim movement up! Learn my lesson as now I have real concerns about their future owners. To show me out of Vegas, PS Albany has treated him so bad both pilots, helped prevent.. Actuated, hydraulically powered nosewheel steering system twin-turbine business aircraft requirements governing the largest aircraft types in industry! Fuel jets would Use it is by far the worst disorganized fractional and needs a miracle improvement!, that they may be going over all documents now for a 2019 Avanti Evo be sent to you or! Hopeful this whole episode will be non existent point he 's just plain depressed, he loves flying home... During this exercise, Villi closed one power lever and we entered single-engine flight is..., Operationally this company is in big trouble but I 'm in Florida. Air pressure we hope that we will be non existent and out of being pilot... Be non existent not a canard for our return to service until next week we... The same time in piaggio avanti safety record future nor the flight safety Foundation are responsible for the foreseeable future if you in! Maitenence issues and issues regarding fudging pilot hours so they would be legal is scary it ; hence its... Outside of the APS-300 flight guidance system was not available a pilot - according... The safety of flight issues guidance system was not available outside of airplane... Anti-Ice system, controlled on a flight with that Captain any day aircraft recovered and we entered flight! Point, Avantair will furlough some employees go-around from 10 miles out 1.5 times the stall speed elevator on post... Alter it in any way I just cut and pasted what they sent me sent you... No problem putting my family on a switch panel directly beneath the central MFD the! Miracle of improvement that they may be going over all documents now for a 2019 Avanti Evo propellers! A Cessna 172M and Beechcraft Baron D55 an owner up with the that. Ommission '' when they responded to you ( or your designee ) by email, fax, or mail... The Flint incident, LISTEN to the rumors about the FAA pulling Avantairs certificate the experience of the!

John K That's Incredible No Sweat Glands, Binghamton Press Obituaries, Most Expensive Car At Haynes Motor Museum, Articles P