And, you know, eventually she starts using this to meet other prominent Democrats in the state. }else{ What's interesting about that Instagram post - and you can see it yourself, it's still out there - they like to describe themselves as journalists. Prince provided funding to hire a tech adviser to ascertain the authenticity of the emails. Prince have ties to President Trumps aides and family. Prince a former C.I.A. AMY GOODMAN: In Wyoming. I'm Dave Davies, in for Terry Gross, who's off this week. Prince declined to comment. He did not respond to follow-up phone messages or an email. He is married to an American diplomat, Alice Seddon, who is serving in the American consulate in Lagos, Nigeria. The year after the sting, Democracy Partners sued Project Veritas, and its lawyers have since deposed Mr. OKeefe. Both operations were run by Project Veritas, a conservative group that has gained attention using hidden cameras and microphones for sting operations on news organizations, Democratic politicians and liberal advocacy groups. Mark Gordon, who was viewed as a RINO in some Wyoming conservative circles. However, lawyers for the publication say they should not have to reveal who told them about Princes alleged meeting with Wagner Group or where they were told it occurred. Part of it involved a rented, rather large house in Georgetown in Washington, D.C., right? DAVIES: Do we know of connections between Project Veritas and James O'Keefe and Trump, Donald Trump or the Trump family? WASHINGTON Erik Prince, the security contractor with close ties to the Trump administration, has in recent years helped recruit former American and British spies for secretive. Blackwater founder Erik Prince used the rise of Donald Trump to stage an unlikely comeback that apparently included funding spy training for far-right propagandist James O'Keefe and his Project. DAVIES: Now, one of the more well-known operations - because, well, you reported on this - was an effort to embarrass Trump's national security adviser, H.R. DAVIES: We need to take a break here. They had a - someone came to the Post. And they would secretly record them, you know, and create content and then eventually, you know, release a video, like they did in several instances. As a subscriber, you have 10 gift articles to give each month. Mr. Seddon used other former Project Veritas employees to help with the Wyoming operation, including James Artherton, a British operative code-named kimchi who was involved in a Project Veritas plan targeting an editor for The New York Times in London in 2017. Erik Prince, the founder of private military company Blackwater, whose sister Betsy DeVos was Trump's education secretary, trained the spies Their job was to find out who was disparaging Trump. And, I mean, they were both active, but she was literally, you know, infiltrating these Democratic groups. So while Times staff members may vote, they are not allowed to endorse or campaign for candidates or political causes. Park County records show he also skipped Augusts primary election, but Prince said he had intended to vote in Wyoming this year. Prince said he learned he wasnt registered when I went to cast my early vote for the general election in late September. GOLDMAN: They were thwarting the president's agenda. We're going to take a break here. And they will attend their rival's news conferences, public events and gather information. In apparent response to inquiries from the Tribune about the two companies ties to Wyoming, Princes revised declaration said he misidentified the names of the entities. Mr. They targeted NPR. It's not clear, though, if any of that was actually used in a way that thwarted anybody's candidacy or damaged their political reputation. And then they married last week. "He is not registered in Park County or [Wyoming] presently, unless he is not going by Erik Dean Prince and has changed his name," Park County Elections Deputy Pat Cole said in a Sept. 17 email; he said Prince hadn't voted in Wyoming since 2000. In 2018, an operative working for Project Veritas infiltrated the campaign of Abigail Spanberger, who went on to win a congressional seat. And, you know, these were - they were not really long-term operations. Erik Prince, founder of the private military firm Blackwater, helped raise money for a political-intelligence operation run by Richard Seddon, a former British spy. And, you know, there were a whole range of people they went after. However, in all of the 74 campaign donations hes made since 2002 including a $3,042.86 donation to the Wyoming Republican Party in 2016 Prince has been identified with a Virginia address. Adam Goldman, welcome back to FRESH AIR. You know, there seemed to be - what it showed was, you know, Prince is well-traveled and is always looking for business opportunities. A spokesman for Mr. One of the people involved in the McMaster plot was Barbara Ledeen, a longtime Republican staffer on the Senate Judiciary Committee before retiring, she says, earlier this year. James OKeefe, a conservative activist, founded Project Veritas. Seddon left the project in 2018, before O'Keefe started releasing low-impact "unmasking the deep state" videos. (Photo: Gerry Broome/AP) MIDDLEBURG, Va. A cheery fire warmed the glass-walled conservatory of the Goodstone Inn in Virginia's. They were undercover conservative operatives, the paper discovered, who had been trained at a ranch belonging to Blackwater founder Erik Prince by a former MI6 officer with ties to the right-wing . DAVIES: They'd gotten formal training in this. The group has also become intertwined with the political activities of Mr. Trump and his family. Click here to see your options for becoming a subscriber. He said that he did not think so. document.write ("'><\/scr"+"ipt>"); And another individual named Barbara Ledeen, who worked for a prominent senator, his committee - Chuck Grassley - she admitted her involvement, and she had actually said she had met with a Project Veritas operative. And as part of this effort, Richard Seddon was brought on to handle training and really professionalize Project Veritas' undercover operations. You know, I think part of Mr. O'Keefe's motto - I think it's important for him to have regular and consistent content - right? And, you know, they targeted somebody from the State Department, and they targeted somebody from GAO. For instance, Princes 2014 memoir said he splits his time between homes in Virginia and Abu Dhabi, where he pursues a variety of business ventures.. GOLDMAN: I think - yeah, I think the latest is - you know, he's worked - his latest adventure is in Libya. Adam Goldman reports on the FBI and national security for the Times and was part of a team that won a Pulitzer Prize in 2018 for national reporting on Russia's meddling in the presidential election. GOLDMAN: What - the training they got was when they worked for an outfit called Project Veritas. Last month, Project Veritas made public secretly recorded video of a longtime ABC News correspondent who was critical of the networks political coverage and its emphasis on business considerations over journalism. So Erik Prince, the private security contractor who is an ally and avid supporter of President Trump, connects with Project Veritas, who does these videos, and then they develop this whole different operation. Erik Prince, the founder of controversial private military firm Blackwater and a supporter of former President Donald Trump, jumped into the COVID-19 business late last year with a deal to . This includes participating in marches or rallies in support of a movement or giving money to, or raising money for, any political candidate or election cause. GOLDMAN: It's not clear to me. The training was done by a guy - a lot of the training was done by a guy named Richard Seddon, S-E-D-D-O-N. Who is he? Mr. He's a Pulitzer Prize-winning reporter for The New York Times. What were they trying to get? So he's certainly moved in this world before. The Powell Tribune was unable to learn Prince's voter history from 2002 and 2017. And then Seddon - you know, he stays on. Even if it is true that Prince now genuinely considers himself a Wyoming resident, it cannot be said that [The Intercept] could fairly anticipate being [hauled] into court in Wyoming, the attorneys wrote in a September filing. This is FRESH AIR. Ms. Jorge, 25, did not respond to email addresses associated with her Liberty University account. DAVIES: This is FRESH AIR, and our guest is Adam Goldman. You know, there was one exercise, I believe, where they had a cop - you know, a local cop who was there. Mr. GOLDMAN: Well, as we started reporting on Erik Prince and Richard Seddon, I became deeply interested in learning who, in fact, was working for this organization. She went to meetings. 1-307-754-2221. Last year, the House Intelligence Committee made a criminal referral to the Justice Department about Mr. [I] was a Wyoming resident for many years,, That same day Oct. 9, 2017 Prince obtained a Wyomings drivers license, which he touted, In early 2017, Prince reportedly welcomed James OKeefe and others from the conservative group Project Veritas, which describes itself as an army of guerrilla journalists. That February, OKeefe tweeted an image of himself taking aim with a silenced handgun amid snowy mountains, saying the team was undergoing intense training from a classified location as we make Project Veritas the next great intelligence agency. The Intercept ultimately, Other outlets, however, have continued writing about the contractor. There were steps taken to advance this plan, but in the end, it didn't happen because McMaster was fired. DAVIES: So an active player in the Trump world. They went after a Democratic staffer in Washington. Their names are Beau Maier and Sofia LaRocca, and they're in Las Vegas for a Democratic primary debate. We know that because Glenn put it up on his Instagram account. GOLDMAN: Well, they - you know, they - Beau is from Cody, Wyo., so he had some Wyoming roots. Mr. Prince noted he owned a home in Wyoming and had been connected to the state since 1992. And they were doing this - it appears that they were doing this from the house where Beau and Sofia lived with others. Key figures in the operation are a former British spy named Richard Seddon and private security contractor Erik Prince, a staunch supporter of Donald Trump. What was this about? The companys principal office is listed as being at the Prince familys ranch in Wapiti, though the mailing address is a property in Virginia. The Powell Tribune was unable to learn Princes voter history from 2002 and 2017. In a Jan. 15 order, U.S. District Court Judge Alan Johnson of Cheyenne tossed out Prince's defamation lawsuit against The Intercept. There's an annual one, Nellie T. Ross Banquet, and I believe it's in Cheyenne every February. To do so would potentially reveal the sources identity, in breach of a promise of confidentiality made to the source, and creating personal risk for the source, they wrote, adding Princes real motive in bringing this lawsuit obtaining the identity of [The Intercepts] confidential source is plain., Further, if Prince is allowed to take discovery of The Intercept, the lawyers say they should be allowed to probe Princes ties to Virginia versus Wyoming, since he already has been forced to admit [his sworn statements] contained certain falsehoods.. Is that what these interviews were about? The woman was claiming she had been impregnated by the Senate candidate, thinking that The Washington Post would be so excited to get dirt about a conservative that they would publish a bogus story. Mr. met with White House and Pentagon officials. It was unclear whether Mr. Seddon was involved in planning that operation. You'd have to ask Mr. O'Keefe. Prince a former C.I.A. And they stopped the - they would actually stop the operatives in a car. You know, again, as when Barbara Ledeen, the staffer for the Senate Judiciary Committee, which was run by Chuck Grassley, you know, was trying to find Hillary Clinton's missing emails, and Prince gets involved in that, too. He was asked whether he had provided any of the groups secret recordings of Democracy Partners to the Republican National Committee or any member of the Trump family. They broke into the DNC. DAVIES: He was at a meeting in the Seychelles, the islands in the Indian Ocean, January of 2017. contractor who is best known as the founder of the private military firm Blackwater and whose sister, Betsy DeVos, was Mr. Trumps education secretary has drawn scrutiny over the years for Blackwaters record of violence around the world and his subsequent ventures training and arming foreign forces. And, yeah, people steal lawn signs. Mr. Seddon launched his privately funded spying effort after leaving Project Veritas in 2018. And we're speaking with New York Times reporter Adam Goldman. But (laughter) this seemed to be the training out in Wyoming. The teachers union is asking for more than $3 million in damages, accusing the group of being a vigilante organization which claims to be dedicated to exposing corruption. In 2018, Ms. Jorge infiltrated the congressional campaign of Ms. Spanberger, posing as a campaign volunteer. "Somebody who had his calendar conveyed to me that he goes to Tosca all the time," she said, and she passed the information on to a man she believed to be a Project Veritas operative with a fake name. - were directed to make them or reimbursed for them, then that's a potential crime. officer who went on to win an important House seat in Virginia as a Democrat. NY Times reporter Adam Goldman describes an undercover effort, headed up by an avid Trump supporter, that trained conservatives in espionage techniques and sent them to dig up dirt on progressives. And Prince comes up in the special council report - Robert Mueller's report. New details reveal the ambitions of an operation intended to infiltrate opponents of Donald Trump, including moderate Republicans as well as progressives and Democrats. contractor who is best known as the founder of the private military firm Blackwater and whose sister, Betsy DeVos, was Mr. Trump's education secretary has drawn. GOLDMAN: Yeah, I would say an active - sure, an active player in certain parts of Trump's world, yeah, or conservative - the conservative world. And I think the end goal was make a video and, if necessary, try to get the White House to fire McMaster. O'Keefe writes about it in his book. If you are a current print subscriber, you can set up a free web account by clicking here. Prince, the former head of Blackwater Worldwide and the brother of Education Secretary Betsy DeVos, has at times served as an informal adviser to Trump administration officials. And so Sofia's picture was up there. GOLDMAN: These were videos - you can find them on Project Veritas', you know, website or on YouTube now. Erik Prince decides that Project Veritas needs something new. He is not registered in Park County or [Wyoming] presently, unless he is not going by Erik Dean Prince and has changed his name, Park County Elections Deputy Pat Cole said in a Sept. 17 email; he said Prince hadnt voted in Wyoming since 2000. DAVIES: Right. This is FRESH AIR. Valued at roughly $12 million by the Park County Assessors Office, the property includes a 17,470-square-foot residence that ranks among the largest in the area; county records show Prince owns a smaller home on an adjoining 10-acre parcel. He's a former British intelligence officer who served in Washington, D.C., and in Pakistan and eventually leaves the British Secret Intelligence Service and develops some relationship with Erik Prince, a security contractor, and ends up being director of field operations at the conservative group known as Project Veritas. document.write ('&cb=' + m3_r); It seems like the Democrats have figured out this party switch deal to their advantage, Mr. Friess wrote in an email obtained by Wyofile, a political news site in Wyoming. DAVIES: What was on those videos? And, you know, we've talked to people who have given to them, including people who gave smaller donations - right? She and Mr. I mean, if the idea was to get inside information, which would be useful to, you know, Republicans and conservatives, did they succeed? The plan was reportedly to send a female operative to Tosca, a restaurant McMaster frequented, to engage him in drinks and conversation and record him disparaging Trump or making other inappropriate remarks on camera. That was the idea. Published October 16, 2017. Im not ashamed of the methods that we use or the recordings that we use, he said. Prince and former British spy Richard Seddon both did work for the organization. We'll continue our conversation in just a moment. At the time, Prince was exploring the possibility of mounting a Republican primary challenge to incumbent U.S. Sen. John Barrasso, R-Wyo. We'll talk more about his stories on undercover operations by conservatives to infiltrate Democratic and progressive groups after a short break. He's proposed similar things in other countries, hasn't he? But he was extremely wealthy conservative in Wyoming named Foster Friess, who had actually run for governor in '18. WASHINGTON During the summer of 2018, as Richard Seddon, a former British spy, was trying to launch a new venture to use undercover agents to infiltrate progressive groups, Democratic campaigns and other opponents of President Donald J. Trump, he turned for help to a longtime friend and former colleague: Erik Prince, the private military contractor. And the operatives had to give a - you know, had to give a cover story under duress. And then, you know, they both end up giving to the DNC. Remind us who they are and what they've done. As a subscriber, you have 10 gift articles to give each month. And I certainly don't think he thought he was going to get dragged into this. GOLDMAN: Well, again, this is a little murky. Female undercover operatives tried to entrap FBI agents, sometimes using fake dating app profiles, and State Department employees, the Times reports. If he enters the race, he would be challenging Republican incumbent John Barrasso in the 2018 primaries, with the encouragement of Steve Bannon. They provide additional insight into the ambition of the operation to use undercover operatives to target Republicans seen as insufficiently conservative, as well as to, as one document describes it, research, penetrate and infiltrate the radical left networks.. So he had pitched this idea of a private security force to largely replace American troops in Afghanistan. She said the support she got from other teams was 'overwhelming. Private property rights are a major cornerstone to how Wyoming operates, but so is prioritizing a rural, quiet lifestyle - ultimately, the former won out in Sublette County. I also think that - I think recently, too, O'Keefe, did a photo op or made a video with Donald Trump. And then as I sort of gathered - started to gather information on this, I knew this was going to be a story. '&charset='+document.characterSet : '')); But, you know, his sister is Betsy DeVos, and she was Secretary of Education during the Trump administration. But before the parties get to the lawsuits merits, The Intercept is contending, among other arguments, that Wyoming is not the right place for the case to be heard. DAVIES: Right. With @Project_Veritas's special training, we will be the next great intelligence agency. Their reporting on the department won the 2012 Pulitzer Prize for investigative reporting. The documents also show that, beyond Ms. Gore, other prominent Republicans in Wyoming were involved in Mr. Seddons spying operation. I believed that to be true at the time that I signed my declaration, Prince wrote, but I have since come to learn that I was mistaken.. The life of Erik Prince has been a complicated globe-trotting journey complete with extensive mercenary activities, spying on American citizens, brokering arms deals with despotic regimes and essentially taking advantage of any situation he can in order to line his personal pockets. Good stuff, Mr. Seddon wrote back. And last year, I learned that Beau and Sofia had been working out of this house in Georgetown. var width = jQuery(window).width(); And, of course, this was really weird because they work for Project Veritas. He's, you know, the private military contractor. In August 2017, Ms. Jorge wrote to Mr. Seddon that she had managed to record a local union leader talking about Ms. DeVos and other topics. DAVIES: And when we say they targeted these public officials or FBI agents, what would they do? The Intercept, however, has stood behind its reporting and has described the suit as an improper attempt to learn the identity of its sources. And so we're all familiar with that, I think, to some extent. You know, he's a businessman. Mr. DAVIES: When Richard Seddon and Erik Prince got connected with Veritas and cooperated on some of these operations, what was the effect on Veritas? I mean, we know that Erik Prince was trying to sell a plan to the Trump administration to put these - for him, in fact, to put a private, you know, army of a bunch of mercenaries in Afghanistan and sort of take over those responsibilities from the government, sort of, in some ways, replace the U.S. forces on the ground there. 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