Things not included arent included because they DIDNT happen, stop believing lies told by edgy kpop stans w/o any recipts https://t.co/rBMH79ZvlD, HELP i dont like hwasa but some of yall going a little to far, some of yall preach mental health but pick and choose who that applies too ngl i let out a couples laughs tho#AskHwasa pic.twitter.com/GbxXzX6Fna. And this links back to other instances of Hwasa being called out for cultural appropriation, the most recent being her wearing what appeared to be a traditional Nigerian outfit on the MBC show 'I Live Alone'. ", which culture did u enjoy appropriaing the most #AskHwasapic.twitter.com/x6WYr2VeJa, Can we have a spoiler? I know they've apologized for many of their other problems they faced but seriously, the hate is so overwhelming. True, the haters just don't know them so they judge easily. Have they done offensive and hurtful things in the past? I did watch the video when it was up but it was a while ago and I dont remember exactly what he said. Posts: 337. pg.acq.push(function() { ga('ads.send', { If it had just been misheard or a mistranslation, why would they censor it? Everyone seems to think that the world revolves around them. Im not trying to run away from anything, if you have issues with any of the things I say or do (because I am privileged in certain aspects) please dont feel afraid to bring them up! ga('ads.send', { I wholeheartedly accept that I messed up on this and Im really sorry, because I feel like I sort of have a responsibility not to spread misinformation and thats exactly what I did. Yes. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Everyday there are tweets wishing for her to die, get beat up, fall out of planes, etc. Its quite a big responsibility looking after this blog and Im not sure my wellbeing can take that on top of my workload and personal problems. So i don't usually dig into controversies but I couldn't help bumping into a few recently regarding Mamamoo. hitType: 'event', MAMAMOO () is a four-member girl group currently under RBW. Im ironically bad at dealing with conflict, which might make some people question why I started this blog (it was actually an accident, long story), but Ive tried not to let it affect my running of this blog. I like most of the members included in that post, please dont try to make it out like I dont, because it perpetuates the idea that fans cant criticise the things they love. Mamamoo isn't even the first K-Pop group or artist to don blackface in 2012, Big Bang's G-Dragon (who have been called the "biggest band in Asia") posted a horrific photo that many believed was. The sun will always shine for us. yeah Id probably classify myself as a pacifist, thought I understand the use of violence in self defence or sports that require violence (MMA, boxing, etc.). People always said they do so much CA and I tried to find some examples but the only one that again seemed to be twisted was them appropriating Indian culture during AZE GAG but that was misconstrued as it was about Buddhism not Hindu culture even the line is the song is about Buddhism and one of the members is Buddhist so I don't have a massive issue with it. : ) : ) Wow! When I say this, the person might think, Look whos talking, but I would reply, Im a boy and youre a girl, To this, both Kim Shin Young and announcer Gu Eun Young retorted, Why does gender matter in this situation? You dont owe them anything in the lines of forgiveness, especially if you were one of the people they personally hurt with their past actions. Hwasa in 2015 said the n word in a show where she was given the lyrics but being a non English speaker she clearly didn't know what she was saying. Above all, however, Mamamoo is a power-vocal group and strongly celebrated for it, even winning Favorite Vocal Artist at both the 2018 and 2019 MAMAs. TWICE - jihyo: wore a native american costume + introduced herself as ''indian jihyo . Again I apologise for any of the harm I have caused with this blog, it was definitely unintentional, but thats no excuse. Mamamoo's Hwasa has come under fire more than once after accusations of racism and cultural appropriation. The K-POP idol's vocal talent is considered one of the best in the industry and yet, she continues to receive a great amount of . And then later on she includes a list of problematic things that her favourite (boy) group has done and it's literally 3x as long. It is absurd. As Ive said before, I dont know everything, and I try to provide sources for what I post, but Im a bit cynical and I can sometimes put too much trust into what other people say, so please, please, please call me out if you notice me spreading misinformation (it will always be appreciated) and I will update the masterpost. Yes, I should have included things such as dates. Anyway, just my thoughts. yeah, suju has done problematic stuff and i agree, we shouldnt defend it or excuse it, its good to have that kind of discussion. They have been affectionately dubbed festival queens as they attend a great many every year, always ready to hype up the crowd and turn every event into a Mamamoo concert. or for the life of me find it again so this is unsourced for the time being. Because of MISTAKES. We're celebrities too but we're human first.". }); Heechul put the scarf on his head as Gain was explaining why she chose to wear hers in a hijab style. Im getting upset the more I think about it lol but really its just a lot of misconceptions; sometimes culturally and linguistically, that Americans like to hold a grudge against. Mamamoo Has Been Receiving Hate Storms- And Its Only Getting Worse. My mom would like to know" while another asked, "Is mama Africa a good name for you? And please send me a link when you upload the video, Id be interested in seeing your translation. #1,972. eventAction: 'load' I included links to everything that was on the list (some of which had been deleted - another thing I messed up on big time) and with certain things, I did include a bit of extra information (e.g. While it is common for artists to tease their comebacks for up to a month, the time they spend on promoting the new music in conventional ways such as music shows and variety show appearances has decreased by . #askhwasa pic.twitter.com/rqPYTIMaEL, And from there, the jokes just continued, "Biggie or Tupac?" The callout, this time, however, was linked to the singer's inclusion of Latin-themed elements in her song's lyrics and music. Mamamoo's "problematic" past (still robot voice, sorry sis) 325,340 views Sep 11, 2018 13K Dislike Share Chaennie Lisoo 38.1K subscribers In this video I take a look at one opinion in. Mamamoo member Hwasa is one of the most compelling female idols. I didnt mean for this to spiral into an argument at all and I didnt post the post with malicious intent, though I know the intent doesnt matter all that much and that I did make mistakes. eventAction: 'view' } disclaimer: i am NOT trying to cancel any of the idols on this list, just calling them out. I suffer from lots of different mental health problems (I dont want to go too into detail but I have ADHD and also struggle with BPD, bipolar + other issues) and this blog really does not help. I know Ive answered questions on things like racism, colorism, cultural appropriation, etc. They received their first music show win in 2016 with Youre The Best and have since gone on to win dozens more, ending 2019 with a combined total of 41 music show wins, making them one of the most highest winning girl groups in history. | A Japanese Man Reacts to Duolingo Let's ask Shogo | Your. not excusing it or defending, but Henry was a little boy from Canada, and that kind of fan service is really odd in general to the West, Id hardly call that problematic. But in this case it was obviously red, and drawn the way a clown would wear it. Thank you very much for the information!! ga('ads.send', { Ive said before that my intent is to provide information, and that should include context and possible explanations, and Im sorry it didnt. Ive also seen Chanyeol and Baekhyun fans criticise them for the stuff theyve said/done, but move on and continue to be their fans, which is also a personal decision. Ive seen multiple times that idols should know better because they have internet access and should know why the n word is bad or why blackface is bad. Solar Moonbyul Wheein Hwasa Results are only viewable after voting. Having said that it was still wrong but I don't acquite it to a minstrel show or it have been in a mock manner and I am glad that they apologised and have learnt from that. The next big issue made public came when Solar dressed up as a Korean beggar from Train to Busan (2016) for their next ending concert video. I will put just a fraction of some of the hate comments they receive every day down below. Everyone is allowed to make mistakes and with those mistakes, come the opportunity to correct them. }); They expect idols to be the wokest people out there because theyre celebrities when in reality theyre just the product of their colorist society. Anyway, I hope this didnt come across as rude or anything, but I really need to go to sleep now. Im going to leave this blog up so people can still refer to some of the posts and look through the tags. Yes theres a chance it was scripted (something I didnt include originally but will add) but since we arent sure, I included it anyway. Zhoumi laughed about the earthquake of 6.8 magniture that hit Taiwan saying When the earthquake struck just then, it was just like playing. Moreover, Zhou Mi even used last years Si Chuan earthquake as comparison, saying: Last year, when we were promoting in China, we also met an earthquake, and it was pretty happy. And Han Geng who was beside him immediately rushed forward to clarify: He (Zhou Mi) doesnt mean happy. However, it was too late, as everything was already recorded by the media. In fact, I really like them. Posts: 310. I can understand how a youtube translating team could mess up their translation, Ive seen it happen before, but as a person who doesnt know Korean I have to go off what Korean-speaking people tell me. For those of you who might not know, Mamamoo is a four girl idol group who debuted under RBW (Rainbowbridge World) in June of 2014. Im aware hes from Canada, Im aware people are less touchy-feely in the west, but the fact that the thought of his band members being gay or transworried him is definitely problematic. Solar | Moonbyul | Wheein | Hwasa. I dont think they take care of their bodies well, Performed with Boom, while he was donning blackface, Called N from VIXX fucking trash among many other things, sneaked into a room in which girls were sleeping and touched them, I do not wish to acknowledge homosexuals, that scenario must have looked like a drug deal., Implied negative things about Goo Hara dating around a lot, If someone had to lose weight, I would tell that person to lose weight. document.querySelector("#google_image_div").addEventListener('click',function(){ I forgot how toxic Kpop fans can be Like you all know, Mamamoo has a pretty small fan base (internationally) compared to some other idol groups. And that isnt even getting into the worst of it. MAMAMOO debuted on June 18, 2014, along with their single "Mr. Ambiguous." MAMAMOO was commended along with their first single by the critics as one of the best K-pop debut group in 2014. For hours the terms hwasa n-word, hwasa racist, hwasa ugly, hwasa dead, were the most common twitter terms in Hwasas searches, while Moos rushed around trying to tweet positive things and trend protective hashtags in response. You need to Register or Login to view the content. Personally, I come from a Chinese household with really racist, sexist, misogynistic, and homophobic beliefs. Regardless, a fan who thinks that its not a problem isnt going to hold it against Heechul, the point of the post isnt to make you hate the idols (Heechul is literally one of my ultimate biases) its just supposed to be informative. In the way that we see them care for each other and their fans concerns, I really dont see how they could MEAN to hurt anyones feelings with how they might act at times. hitType: 'event', A lot of my followers have been a huge help and Ive learned a lot myself. window.googletag.pubads().addEventListener('slotRenderEnded', function(event) { Korean girl group Mamamoo apologized Saturday after a video clip aired at their concert that featured the quartet in blackface. Others, despite agreeing that Hwasa was at fault, thought the questions were taking it too far. Ive heard Moomoos are known as fairly passive, but its also why they are known as some of the most accepting and even better behaved fans. ourbridgeisforever:. Villain. Im aware people can be incredibly childish when it comes to offensive stuff in kpop, almost like its some game, like, there are actual people who look forward to exos next fuckup as though its not something that deeply upsets people. }); Ive privated the post because it was very poorly made and I acknowledge that, however, some of the criticism Im getting is from 1) people who havent actually read the post and 2) people who are refusing to acknowledge some of the things I did include in it. They wont know the nuances of why what they did is offensive to us and thats why we tell them. But their fans always informed them about their insensitive actions and Mamamoo always immediately apologized. I'm pretty sure that a lot of people have heard of the blackface scandal. I only made the post because Ive personally received asks about whether or not there is a Super Junior master post and whether specific members have done anything, and thought itd be easy to compile a list, seeing as thats sorta what this blog is for. You need to Register or Login to view the content. document.querySelector("#adunit").addEventListener('click',function(){ heechul just wore a scarf on his head - thats not how anyone wears a hijab properly and white women have been doing that since like the 40s. The Radish Farm (Mamamoo Thread) This is going to be safe space for everyone who wants to talk about Mamamoo. Its easy for us to do because we arent in their position, I know we like to believe that we would be 100% perfect celebrities if we were given the chance, but we havent been in the spotlight for 10 years (Im sure I would have messed up far more than some of the members have over 10 years). **All colorism is bad, but i think its fair to say that whenever Tao or Kai try to deflect colorist comments onto each other, it is usually a form of defence mechanism that stems from internalised colorism. As I am not muslim (and Im not sure if you are or not) I feel as though its not really up for me to say whether or not its offensive ora reach. A subreddit for the four member kpop group, MAMAMOO! ", Hey remember dressing up in blackface with the rest of Mamamoo #AskHwasa pic.twitter.com/3AqtVlig1n, what we feeling today -er or -a? Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. While Mamamoo being popular with the public is widely known, many are unaware of just how many actors, idols, and senior producers they have won over with their authentic shows and cheery personalities. hitType: 'event', I dont really want this published but Im Korean and I just watched the SISTAR video and the translations are pretty accurate, Hyorin was trying to say how bora has all black fashion and her hair and black complexion adds on to it, and I felt that too (soyu was trying to suggest that hyorin had darker skin than bora so hyorin shouldnt talk about anyone elses skin color) so hyorin was like yeah but at least I dont wear black clothes like bora! }) Meanwhile for girl groups it's just full of hate comments even if they did not do as many or as severe problematic things as boy groups. Refresh the page,. Notifications can be turned off anytime from browser settings. As the n-word is decidedly not of Asian-country origins it would make sense that she would not know the meaning of a English word that she is quickly seeing and then singing in a song, as it is a word which takes most, if not all, of its derogatory meaning from American context. Discover short videos related to mamamoo being problematic on TikTok. Explore the latest videos from hashtags: #mamamooproblematic, #mamamooegotistic, #mamaproblematica, # . MAMAMOO's Hwasa is a cast member in the MBS reality show I live Alone (literal translation). Firstly, Im fairly sure I missed stuff, but also, a lot of it is somewhat interpretational. I very strongly believe that people can change and one action doesnt define them for the rest of their life, and if I dont include an apology in a post, its always going to be because I didnt know they apologised. Im honestly not trying to tell people that everybody on that list is a problematic asshole, as Ive said before, Heechul is one of my ultimate biases and I dont think hes a problematic asshole. kpop problematic carrd! Their interactions with their fans and staff members are so sweet and genuine, and they do their best to be inclusive of everyone (like Wheein taking her time to speak to a deaf fan and doing some sign language, Hwasa going on the floor to sign a fan's cast---the list goes on). New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Everyone, dont think of dirty thoughts!, negative comment about Taos skin being dark, cant be too chubby/fat and must have a nice body, He has darker skin than me, doesnt he?, in general, youre skin looks better if you have a lighter skin tone. When you choose to spend that privilege constantly mocking and harassing people online, well, karma's going to come back to you, in some form or another. problematickpop:. Mamamoo is not the most problematic group ever I'm a fairly new Mamamoo fan and I was hearing a lot about them being super problematic towards black people (so being black) I decided to some research to find out. If a celebrity said something homophobic 5 years ago but is now a huge activist in the lgbtq+ community, its likely that they were just ignorant and have learned since. I recently saw their variety show where they traveled to Busan and talked a bit about the past and Moonbyul said something that really squeezed my heart (paraphrasing): "We're human. They are also one of the very few groups to have not only have won an Immortal Songs episode, but won three separate times with Backwoods, Wonderful Confession, and The Dance In Rhythm (this is typically something only done by veteran singers, as idols competing have to win over an all-age audience). 18 Jan 2023, 08:31 PM . Daily persecution? Ive seen a lot of people (and even previously been them sometimes) throwing around the Siwon thing to say hes wildly homophobic, for example, when it turned out to be heavily unreliable and probably false. i am so so tired. Thank you everybody for everything! eventAction: 'click_image_ads' Solar | Moonbyul | Wheein | Hwasa (Purple Backs) Solar | Moonbyul | Wheein | Hwasa (Mint Backs) CD version comes with 3 photocards. Another thing referenced against Hwasa is the occasion she dressed up as a clown. mamamoo has been giving neck to neck competition to redvelvet but kpop fans always considered redvelvet above them because redvelvet is a sm group but now its time to accept the truth.. Mamamoo is easily gonna out live redvelvet, mamamoo members have resigned and will continue for long meanwhile redvelvet is pretty much done after irene scandal and no news of members re-signing because they . With reference to the Baekhyun-autism-comment issue, it has been a topic of much debate as many people have said that the korean word for autistic is similar to the korean word for defeated-i want to clarify that i do not speak korean so i cannot judge this myself-and that it was just a mistranslation. Its kinda iffy, and as a trans & queer person it definitely rubs me the wrong way :-//. Threads: 138. I hope everybody has a good day/night. 6)not excusing it or defending it but [continues to make an excuse for Henry] Sorry, but yes, you are trying to make up excuses for him. If you haven't, let me enlighten you. "Hey remember dressing up in blackface with the rest of Mamamoo," read one tweet. And while her more recent missteps are nowhere near what she has done in the past, they still, nonetheless, fall in the realm of what many consider offensive. Like who is the next ethnicity youre going to offend? Red Velvet too. Hwasa's most recent callout stemmed from her latest comeback with the track 'Maria', a song that delved into her own struggles with mental health and being on the receiving end of severe hate. I dont properly feel as though I can talk about in depth because I have limited knowledge (which I probably should have specified in the post) but I didnt just pull it out of my ass, I included it because Id seen people get offended by it (though predominantly by Gain). Trust me when I say that most of the people who whine about mamamoo blackface are non-black people , I've seen a lot of black MooMoos who have forgiven them since the apology , but a lot of non black kpop fans wear it on their neck like it actually affected them in the first place , I may be the only one who thinks this way but American Kpop fans act very arrogantly when it comes to mamamoo a controversy. For the writer herself, she said she used to stan Mamamoo and doesn't anymore because of the problematic things they've done. ", HELP THE QUESTIONS FOR #AskHwasa I CANT pic.twitter.com/hfqIr5fn9w, THE TWEETS UNDER THIS HASHTAG ARE RUTHLESS AHAJAKXH #AskHwasa pic.twitter.com/gEpnibGF9J, the gates of heaven are not opening for ANY of yall #AskHwasa, Baby Mia Jade Riley: Parents Lani and Tom Riley speak out after dog attack killed their 5-week-old infant, 'We have lots to reveal': Madeleine McCann lookalike Julia Wandelt posts footage of meeting with PI probing claims, Kyle Sambrook: Hiker falls 100ft to death while carrying his dog in one hand through 'appalling' weather, Killer mom Lindsay Clancy was suffering from drug withdrawal and had 'worst side effects,' says friend, Bruce Willis's mom Marlene 'not sure if her son still recognizes her' as 'aggressiveness' creeps in. That crosses every sort of line. Probation Faker. #1. One tweet asked, "What we feeling today -er or -a? Mamamoo has been dubbed by a lot, especially by antis as one of the most controversial groups in the history of kpop. 1,068. I hear people say that she added it in to a song that didn't have it on purpose but that version is on Melon. Thank you~). Im aware people hold stuff against suju quite a lot, especially in comparison to other problematic groups like BigBang and 2NE1, who I rarely see get criticised, but that doesnt counteract the fact that suju have messed up before (because theyre human beings). It has become commonplace to trash Mamamoo and Hwasa in particular, just another meme or joke to let slide. Ill probably check over the masterpost tomorrow and try to add more info and context and stuff. They're also one of the very few idol groups where everyone has expressed that they're supportive of the LGBT+ community, which is huge especially in such a conservative country like South Korea. asked one user while another tweet read, "Dark skin or brown skin men? Some things aren't even their fault, but ofc they're going to frame it that way (like Wheein saying that she feels like a normal person for making silly faces and people bashing her saying that she's thinking too highly of herself as a celebrity? Please put a * at the end of the message if you don't want it published. I feel like this sounds insincere but its not, I promise, I wish I had gone about it very differently. For me, I think controversies and hate are just the unfortunate and difficult side that comes with being an idol. One user asked, "Which culture did u enjoy appropriating the most," while another quipped, "Can we have a spoiler? Compare this to some other idol groups with rabid fanbases, any controversy and they're ready to defend their idols to the point of issuing death threats to the critiques. Feb 22, 2023. You don't have to to forgive them for the blackface but I see far too much misinformation being spread and everyone just take as word. Mobile +91-9466446612, +91-9728497962; Email info@pvginternationals.com; wow tanaan jungle questline; small planet airlines fleet; you've got mail bookstore name Feels bad yo. if you want to complain about me making this or ask me why i did, please read this first, honestly i will not respond to anyone who has not read this first. They are not exactly multicultural societies vs. north america. I dont know if youre Korean or not (your blog doesnt say) but if you arent, I consider everything youve said invalid information. Mamamoo isn't problematic. I dont think people should defend what others do/say, regardless of how long ago it was, but I do think people should look at stuff in context and use a degree of common sense. (I read your tags) I hope you dont mind me reblogging this, If you do please just tell me and Ill delete it. 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